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Standing the ground

The case for Daniel and Revelation

Three readings pull at these books from three directions. One says the prophecy was written after the fact. One says most of it has not started. One says all of it is finished. Each answer below is specific and checkable — a tablet, a manuscript, a date, or a verse.

The critical reading

The late-date theory

"Daniel is a forgery written around 165 BC during the Maccabean crisis. It is history dressed up as prophecy, and it gets the ending wrong."

This theory is old — Porphyry proposed it in the third century — and it exists to remove predictive prophecy from the book. It has to explain away the book's own claims, its language, its manuscript history, its historical accuracy, and the way Christ and the apostles read it. Below is the case laid out piece by piece.

01

The book claims a sixth-century author, and Christ read it that way

Daniel writes in the first person, dates events by the regnal years of Nebuchadnezzar, Belshazzar, Darius and Cyrus, and describes court procedure that a later Palestinian writer would have no reason to know. Jesus names 'Daniel the prophet' and applies the abomination of desolation to a time still ahead of His hearers. Whatever one does with the critical apparatus, a Maccabean pseudonym is not a neutral literary judgment — it contradicts the way the book presents itself and the way Christ handled it.

  • Daniel 1:1
  • Daniel 7:1
  • Matthew 24:15
  • Mark 13:14
02

Belshazzar was called a fiction until the tablets vindicated Daniel

Greek historians ended Babylon with Nabonidus, so for centuries critics listed Belshazzar among Daniel's errors. The Nabonidus Chronicle and the Babylonian contract tablets recovered him as Nabonidus' son and co-regent, left in charge of the city while his father was away at Tema. That is precisely why the highest honour Belshazzar can offer is the third place in the kingdom — he himself held the second. A forger writing from Judea in 165 BC could not have reconstructed a co-regency that no historian knew about until the nineteenth century.

  • Daniel 5:7
  • Daniel 5:16
  • Daniel 5:29
  • Daniel 8:1
03

The late date does not solve the problem it was invented for

The Maccabean theory is designed to place every prediction after the event. It does not succeed. Daniel 9 measures a 490-year span from a Persian decree to the coming of the Messiah and His being cut off. Daniel 2 and 7 run past Greece into Rome, then into Rome's division, then to a kingdom God sets up. All of that lies beyond 165 BC. Moving the date of composition only relocates the miracle; it never removes it.

  • Daniel 2:40-44
  • Daniel 7:7-8
  • Daniel 9:24-27
04

The Aramaic and Persian evidence has moved the other way

Daniel 2-7 is written in Imperial Aramaic — the administrative dialect of the Persian empire — not the later Western Aramaic of the Maccabean period, and it differs measurably from the Aramaic of the Qumran sectarian writings and the Genesis Apocryphon. The Persian loanwords are old governmental terms, several of which had already fallen out of use by the second century; the Greek translators of the Septuagint plainly no longer understood some of them. That pattern fits a sixth-century document, not a second-century one.

05

The three Greek words are musical instruments, not a date stamp

The often-cited proof of a late date reduces to the names of instruments in Daniel 3. Trade items and their names travelled the Near East long before Alexander: Greek mercenaries, merchants and craftsmen were in Babylonian service in the sixth century, and Greek pottery from the period turns up across Mesopotamia. Meanwhile, if the book were written in Greek-speaking Palestine after Alexander, the striking absence of Greek administrative and political vocabulary is very hard to explain.

  • Daniel 3:5
06

Qumran already treated Daniel as Scripture

Eight manuscripts of Daniel were recovered from the caves at Qumran, the earliest within a few decades of the supposed composition date, and the community wrote commentary-style works drawing on Daniel's language. A book does not get copied that widely, cited that freely, and treated as authoritative that quickly if the generation that received it had watched it being written.

07

The canon and the earlier witnesses point the same way

Ezekiel, a contemporary of the exile, names Daniel among the righteous. The Jewish community placed Daniel in its canon and read him as a prophet; the first-century historian Josephus recounts Daniel's prophecies and says they were shown to Alexander. Every ancient line of testimony we possess treats the book as pre-Hellenistic; the late date rests on an argument from genre, not on a witness.

  • Ezekiel 14:14
  • Ezekiel 28:3
08

The 'failed prophecy' charge misreads the little horn

Critics say Daniel predicted Antiochus IV and was wrong about his end. But Antiochus fails the specifications at every measurable point. He was a Greek king, not a power rising after Rome's division; he did not rise 'exceeding great' toward the time of the end; he did not continue for 1260 years; and he did not fall by the verdict of the heavenly court. The predictive failure belongs to the identification, not to the prophecy. This app never makes that identification.

  • Daniel 7:24-26
  • Daniel 8:9-12
  • Daniel 8:23-25
09

The book has a coherent theological architecture, not a crisis pamphlet

Daniel is built as a chiasm: Aramaic outward-facing chapters addressed to the nations at the centre, Hebrew chapters for the covenant people around them, four world-empire sequences that repeat and enlarge one another. That is the design of a book written to interpret history from beginning to end, not an occasional tract composed to encourage resistance fighters during one three-year emergency.

  • Daniel 2:31-45
  • Daniel 7:2-14
  • Daniel 8:3-14
  • Daniel 11:2-45
10

Prophecy is the argument God Himself offers

The claim that a book cannot contain genuine prediction is a starting assumption, not a finding. Scripture makes the opposite claim its own test of deity: God declares the end from the beginning, and He invites the nations to bring their case and show what is coming. Daniel is Scripture taking that test in public — which is exactly why the book has attracted so much effort to date it late.

  • Isaiah 41:22-23
  • Isaiah 46:9-10
  • Amos 3:7

None of this requires trusting a tradition. Each item is a checkable claim about a tablet, a manuscript, a dialect, or a verse.

The dispensational reading

The postponed-prophecy reading

"The seventieth week is still future. Prophecy paused at the cross, and the final seven years belong to an antichrist who appears after the church is secretly removed."

This reading takes the last seven years of Daniel 9 out of their sequence and moves them past our own century, then fills them with a rebuilt temple, a seven-year tribulation, and a one-man antichrist. Every load-bearing piece of that structure is added to the text rather than drawn from it.

01

Daniel 9 never breaks its own count

Seventy weeks are 'determined' — literally cut off — as one measure, and the passage then subdivides them itself: seven weeks, sixty-two weeks, one week. Every subdivision is given in the text. A two-thousand-year interruption is not. No other prophetic period in Scripture is stopped after part of its course and restarted in a distant century, and the words of the prophecy give no signal that this one is.

  • Daniel 9:24-27
02

The starting decree and the arrival of Messiah fix the arithmetic

The count begins with the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem — the decree of Artaxerxes in 457 BC — and runs 483 years to 'Messiah the Prince'. That lands on the anointing of Jesus at His baptism, when Luke dates the beginning of His ministry and the Spirit descends. The remaining week follows immediately. Once the two ends of the span are anchored in datable history, there is no room left in the middle for a gap.

  • Ezra 7:7-26
  • Daniel 9:25
  • Luke 3:1-22
  • Acts 10:37-38
03

The covenant is confirmed by Christ, not broken by an antichrist

The 'he' of Daniel 9:27 is the Messiah of verse 26 — the nearest antecedent, and the subject the whole passage is about. He confirms the covenant with many, and in the midst of the week He causes sacrifice and oblation to cease by dying as the Lamb. Matthew records the temple veil torn from the top down at that moment. Reassigning that pronoun to a future antichrist takes the central act of the prophecy away from Christ and hands it to His enemy.

  • Daniel 9:26-27
  • Matthew 26:28
  • Matthew 27:50-51
  • Hebrews 9:11-14
04

Every vision Daniel receives starts in the prophet's own day

Daniel 2, 7, 8 and 11 all begin with the empire then standing and run without interruption to the kingdom of God. The sequence is continuous by design — that is the repeat-and-enlarge method the book uses to interpret itself. Daniel 2 places God's kingdom at the end of the divided-iron stage, not after a further seven-year interval inserted between the iron and the stone.

  • Daniel 2:36-45
  • Daniel 7:17-27
  • Daniel 8:20-25
  • Daniel 11:2
05

A seven-year antichrist cannot fit the specifications

The power described rises among the ten divisions of Rome, speaks against the Most High, wears out the saints, thinks to change times and laws, holds dominion for time, times and the dividing of time, and is finally judged in the heavenly court. That is the profile of a long-lived religio-political system with legislative reach over conscience — not a career of eighty-four months at the end of history.

  • Daniel 7:8
  • Daniel 7:24-26
  • Revelation 13:5-7
06

The 1260 days are 1260 years on Scripture's own scale

Numbers and Ezekiel both set the ratio: a day for a year. Applied to the five statements of this one period across Daniel and Revelation, the span runs AD 538 to 1798 — from the point at which the papal see gained civil enforcement in the West to the year its temporal power was struck. Read as literal days, the same five statements describe a period too short for anything they say to have happened.

  • Numbers 14:34
  • Ezekiel 4:6
  • Daniel 7:25
  • Revelation 11:2-3
  • Revelation 12:6, 14
  • Revelation 13:5
07

The advent Scripture describes is loud, visible and single

It comes with a shout, the voice of the archangel and the trump of God; every eye sees Him; He appears as lightning shining from the east to the west. The righteous dead rise at that trumpet — 'the last trump'. A silent, invisible removal of the church years before the visible return requires two second comings, and the text supplies one.

  • Matthew 24:27
  • 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
  • 1 Corinthians 15:51-52
  • Revelation 1:7
08

The church is kept through trouble, not extracted from it

Christ prayed not that His followers be taken out of the world but that they be kept from the evil. Israel stayed in Egypt through the plagues and was sheltered in them. The promise given to the saints in prophecy is patience and endurance during the crisis, and the sealing that protects them in it — not absence from it.

  • John 17:15
  • Exodus 8:22-23
  • Revelation 7:1-3
  • Revelation 14:12
09

The temple the New Testament looks forward to is not in Jerusalem

After the cross, the sanctuary the apostles point to is the heavenly one where Christ ministers as high priest, and the temple language is applied to the church and to the believer. A prophecy fulfilled by restarting animal sacrifice in a rebuilt building runs against the entire argument of Hebrews, which treats those sacrifices as finished and superseded.

  • Hebrews 8:1-2
  • Hebrews 9:24
  • Hebrews 10:11-14
  • 1 Corinthians 3:16
  • Ephesians 2:19-22
10

The system is recent, and it was built to serve a framework

The gap theory, the postponed week and the pre-tribulation removal of the church entered wide circulation only in the nineteenth century, carried by the Brethren movement and then by reference-Bible notes. The historicist reading it displaced was the reading of the Reformers and of the interpreters before them. That history does not settle the exegesis, but it does answer the claim that this is the plain, traditional reading of Daniel.

The question to keep asking is simple: which words of Daniel 9 authorise the pause? There are none. Everything else in the system depends on that one silent insertion.

The preterist reading

The first-century-only reading

"Revelation was fulfilled in the first century. The beast is Nero, Babylon is Jerusalem or pagan Rome, and the whole book closed with the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70."

This reading has the opposite problem to the last one. Instead of pushing prophecy forward out of reach, it pushes all of it backward into a single generation — and then has to treat the closing chapters of the book as figures of speech in order to keep them there.

01

Revelation's own storyline runs far past AD 70

The book reaches the resurrection of the just, the thousand years, the final destruction of death, and a new heaven and new earth in which there is no more pain. None of that occurred when Jerusalem fell. A reading that ends in the first century has to declare the last chapters symbolic of something already accomplished — which is a much larger interpretive intervention than the one it accuses historicism of making.

  • Revelation 20:4-6
  • Revelation 20:14
  • Revelation 21:1-4
02

The book is dated to Domitian, not to Nero

Irenaeus, who knew Polycarp, places the vision at the end of Domitian's reign, in the mid-90s. The condition of the seven churches — Ephesus having left its first love, Laodicea wealthy and complacent — fits a second generation, not the 60s. If Revelation was written after Jerusalem had already fallen, a book supposedly about that fall never mentions the event.

  • Revelation 1:9
  • Revelation 2:4
  • Revelation 3:17
03

The 1260-year period cannot be compressed into Nero's reign

Five statements across Daniel and Revelation describe one period of dominance over the saints, expressed as 1260 days, 42 months, and time, times and half a time. Read on the day-for-year scale Daniel's other periods require, it spans AD 538 to 1798. Nero's persecution lasted a few years, was confined largely to the capital, and never amounted to ecclesiastical supremacy over the nations.

  • Daniel 7:25
  • Revelation 11:2-3
  • Revelation 12:6, 14
  • Revelation 13:5
04

The Nero number argument proves too little

The 666 gematria for Nero requires transliterating a Greek-Latin name into Hebrew with a defective spelling, and the same method has yielded dozens of other candidates over the centuries. Revelation calls it the number of a man — a figure borne by an office and its claims — and the text ties it to a power that compels worship and controls buying and selling, which Nero never did.

  • Revelation 13:16-18
05

Babylon is a system that outlives the empire

Revelation shows a woman riding the beast, holding dominion over the kings of the earth, drunk with the blood of the saints, and trading in the souls of men. A woman in prophecy is a church; a beast is a civil power. The city of Rome fell in the fifth century, but the partnership of religious authority with civil enforcement did not — which is why Revelation 18 is still issuing a call to come out of her.

  • Revelation 17:1-6
  • Revelation 17:18
  • Revelation 18:4
  • Revelation 18:13
  • Jeremiah 6:2
06

The judgment scene is dated after the 1260 years, not before AD 70

Daniel sees thrones set and books opened after the little horn's long dominion, and dates the cleansing of the sanctuary to the end of the 2300 years — AD 1844. Revelation announces the same hour of judgment as a present message to be preached to every nation, and opens the heavenly temple at the seventh trumpet. That is prophecy still in motion, not the memory of a fallen city.

  • Daniel 7:9-10
  • Daniel 8:14
  • Revelation 11:18-19
  • Revelation 14:6-7
07

Revelation's audience is global, not local

The messages go to every kindred, tongue, people and nation; the merchants of the earth are involved; the waters the woman sits upon are explained as peoples and multitudes and nations. A prophecy whose stated scope is the whole inhabited earth is not satisfied by the siege of one city, however catastrophic that siege was.

  • Revelation 10:11
  • Revelation 13:7
  • Revelation 14:6
  • Revelation 17:15
08

The 'shortly' and 'at hand' language does not compress the timeline

The same book that says the time is at hand also tells John he must prophesy again before many nations, seals a series that unfolds through the church age, and shows periods measured in centuries. Scripture's nearness language is about certainty and readiness, not a maximum span — the day of the Lord is 'at hand' in prophets writing centuries before it.

  • Revelation 1:3
  • Revelation 10:11
  • Joel 2:1
  • 2 Peter 3:8
09

Daniel and Revelation interpret each other, and Daniel outruns AD 70

Revelation's beast is assembled out of Daniel's four: leopard, bear, lion, ten horns. Whatever timeline governs Daniel 7 therefore governs Revelation 13. Daniel 7 runs from Babylon through Rome's division and a long dominion to the heavenly court and the everlasting kingdom. Confining Revelation to the first century severs it from the book it is quoting.

  • Daniel 7:3-7
  • Revelation 13:1-2
  • Daniel 7:26-27
10

The consequence is a book with nothing left to say

If everything closed in AD 70, the calls of Revelation 14 and 18 are addressed to no one now living, and the sealing, the warning and the promise are historical curiosities. But the book pronounces a blessing on those who read and keep its words, and closes with an invitation still open. A reading that empties it of present address has misread its purpose as well as its dates.

  • Revelation 1:3
  • Revelation 22:7
  • Revelation 22:17

Historicism keeps both halves: the first century really did fulfil part of this prophecy, and the rest of it has been unfolding since — with an ending still ahead.

Corroborating voices

Scholarly witnesses

These readings did not begin with us. On the points below, scholars outside this tradition have long recognized the same landmarks — a day standing for a year, the creation call inside the first angel's message, and Babylon as a symbol of corrupt religious-political power. Each witness is a paraphrase, not a quotation, and each is locked: generated notes may not soften or reverse it.

The year-day principle has broad scholarly precedent

Interpreters across centuries — Jewish expositors, medieval writers, Reformation commentators, and modern critical scholars — have read the prophetic days of Daniel and Revelation as years, grounding the reading in Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6.

  • Numbers 14:34
  • Ezekiel 4:6
  • Daniel 7:25
  • Daniel 8:14
  • Daniel 9:24-27
  • Revelation 11:3
  • Revelation 12:6
  • Revelation 13:5

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Daniel 11:1-13 matches documented Persian and Hellenistic history in extraordinary detail

Secular primary sources and reference works independently confirm the sequence: four Persian kings culminating in Xerxes' invasion of Greece; Alexander; the fourfold division not to his posterity; Ptolemy I and Seleucus I; the Berenice-Antiochus II marriage and its collapse; Ptolemy III's retaliatory invasion returning sacred objects to Egypt; Raphia (217 BC); and Antiochus III's return c. 202-200 BC.

  • Daniel 11:1-13
  • Daniel 8:20-22

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Rome enters at Daniel 11:14-16 and supersedes the Hellenistic kingdoms

By 200 BC Rome intervened in the Ptolemaic crisis; Cynoscephalae (197), Magnesia (190), Apamea (188), Pydna (168) and the Popilius Laenas ultimatum (168) demonstrate a power before whom none could stand; Pompey made Syria a province (64/63 BC) and entered Jerusalem (63 BC) - 'the glorious land.'

  • Daniel 11:14-16
  • Daniel 2:40
  • Daniel 7:7

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Daniel 11:20-22 reaches Augustus, Tiberius, and the crucifixion of Christ

Augustus records his own censuses in the Res Gestae (28 BC, 8 BC, AD 14) - 'a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom' - and died peacefully; Tacitus documents Tiberius' peculiar accession and independently places Christ's execution under Tiberius by Pontius Pilate (Annals 15.44), anchoring 'the prince of the covenant broken.'

  • Daniel 11:20-22
  • Daniel 9:25-26
  • Luke 2:1

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Daniel 11:23-30 fits the religio-political papacy and its wars with Islamic power

Adventist scholarship proposes vv25-30 as the papal Crusades against Islam; the historical frame is indisputable: Urban II's 1095 summons, crusading treaties and betrayals (Hattin 1187, Richard-Saladin 1192), crusade taxation (Fourth Lateran), anti-heresy crusades (Albigensian), and the naval phase against the Ottomans (Preveza 1538, Djerba 1560, Lepanto 1571 under Pius V).

  • Daniel 11:23-30
  • Daniel 8:25

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Daniel 11:31-39's spiritual conquest is documented from official Catholic and historical sources

The substitution argument rests on official sources, not caricature: the Catechism's in persona Christi priesthood and Eucharistic sacrifice versus Hebrews' one heavenly High Priest; Gregory VII/Dictatus Papae claims over rulers; the Donation of Pepin's territorial sovereignty; documented persecution machinery (Inquisition, Waldenses); the Reformation as 'a little help'; 1798 as the time-of-the-end transition.

  • Daniel 11:31-39
  • Daniel 7:25
  • Daniel 8:11-12
  • 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
  • Hebrews 8:1-2

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Daniel 11:40-45 as the final counterfeit: Satan personating Christ (PROPOSED reading)

PROPOSED interpretation going beyond current BRI consensus (which reads the final king as end-time Babylon/papal power). The case: Isaiah 14 moves from Babylon's king to Lucifer claiming 'the sides of the north' (Ps 48:2); Ezekiel 26:7's king-of-kings-from-the-north prototype; Isaiah 66:15's whirlwind-chariots coming language; Rev 13:2's dragon behind the beast; the 'crowning act' - Satan personates Christ, received as King of kings. Ships = personated dead is the model's most speculative element and is labeled as proposal.

  • Daniel 11:40-45
  • Isaiah 14:12-14
  • Psalm 48:2
  • Ezekiel 26:7
  • Isaiah 66:15
  • 2 Thessalonians 2:9
  • Revelation 13:2
  • Revelation 16:13-14
  • Revelation 18:4

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Michael is named in Scripture only where the conflict is directly supernatural

Every named appearance of Michael involves direct conflict with Satan or satanic powers: Dan 10:13,21 (princes behind Persia/Greece); Jude 9 (the devil personally); Rev 12:7-9 (the dragon personally). Michael standing up at Dan 12:1 immediately after the final king reaches the holy mountain suggests the adversary behind the earthly system has personally entered the field. Qualification: Daniel 10 does not name Satan; the defensible form is that Michael's appearances always involve Satan or his powers.

  • Daniel 12:1
  • Daniel 10:13
  • Daniel 10:21
  • Jude 1:9
  • Revelation 12:7-9

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The Escalation Principle: Daniel 11's conflict expands from persons to institutions to systems to supernatural powers

A hermeneutical framework with Adventist precedent: literal geographical categories expand into spiritual-covenantal categories embodied in real historical powers, with the Cross as the hinge (prophetic geography follows covenant geography). The Union Escalation runs dynastic marriage (Berenice, 11:6) to church-state league (11:23) to Babylon's fornication with kings (Rev 17) to the true marriage of the Lamb (Rev 19). Governed by five controls against uncontrolled allegory.

  • Daniel 11:6
  • Daniel 11:22-23
  • Daniel 2:43
  • Daniel 10:13-21
  • Daniel 12:1
  • Revelation 17:1-2
  • Revelation 19:7-9
  • Revelation 11:8

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Daniel 7 depicts a heavenly court scene with books opened

Scholarly and devotional academic resources treat Daniel 7:9-10 as a divine courtroom scene.

  • Daniel 7:9-10
  • Daniel 7:13-14
  • Daniel 7:22

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Judgment precedes the kingdom's bestowal in Daniel 7

The sequence in Daniel 7 places judgment (7:9-10) before the Son of Man receives the kingdom (7:13-14), supporting a pre-advent judgment concept.

  • Daniel 7:9-10
  • Daniel 7:13-14
  • Revelation 20:12

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Major translations render Daniel 8:14 as 'restored/properly restored'

Translation tradition recognizes restoration/vindication sense.

  • Daniel 8:14

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Major early modern thinkers produced full historicist interpretations

Pre-Adventist scholars systematically applied historicist method to Daniel and Revelation.

  • Daniel 7
  • Daniel 2
  • Revelation 13

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The day-year principle was widely held by Reformation and post-Reformation scholars

The prophetic day = literal year principle (Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6) was not an SDA invention. It was the standard Protestant hermeneutical tool for interpreting Daniel's time prophecies for centuries before Adventism existed.

  • Numbers 14:34
  • Ezekiel 4:6
  • Daniel 7:25
  • Daniel 8:14
  • Daniel 9:24-27
  • Revelation 11:3
  • Revelation 12:6
  • Revelation 13:5

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Revelation 14 announces a universal call to worship the Creator

Non-SDA scholars recognize the first angel's message as a universal call to worship linked to creation language (cf. Exodus 20:11).

  • Revelation 14:6-7
  • Exodus 20:11
  • Psalm 146:6

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Babylon symbolizes corrupt religious-political power in Revelation

Non-SDA scholars widely interpret Babylon in Revelation as symbolizing corrupt religious and political systems opposed to God.

  • Revelation 14:8
  • Revelation 17:1-6
  • Revelation 18:1-4

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Every note in this app follows fixed rules

Antiochus is never the little horn. The seventy weeks are never interrupted. No date is set, and no living person is named as a prophetic figure.